what i think will happen
I think the Jewish power elite are going to end up nuking the lot of us, because they can’t bear the idea of a world they don’t own. Not much we can do about this, it seems to me. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees, anyway. Notice, I say, ‘the Jewish power elite,’ not merely ‘the Zionists.’ I would suggest that ‘ordinary Jews’ need to decide whether to stick with their self-appointed elite or not, whether to remain in effect their hostages by continuing to self-identify as ‘Jews.’
It isn’t as though there was some sort of unalterable genetic quality to being a ‘Jew’. It’s merely a cultural heritage, and one that you can cease to identify with, by calling yourself an ‘ex-Jew’ instead, like Gilad Atzmon, who also calls himself a ‘hebrew-speaking Palestinian,’ and has kept his hebrew name accordingly.
between your regan post and this one i am beginning to worry that you are losing it.
the regan post is so vile that i only read a few lines.
as far as your take on the ‘unalterable genetic quality to being a ‘Jew’, i beg to differ with you but not to argue it as it is pointless.
gilad atzmon invokes no respect from me at all.
and be it know to you the the ‘left’ in israel hates the arabs much more than the ‘so-called’ right and therefore want to separate and be done with them but are not wise enough to see that the ‘so-called palestinians’ have no such intentions..
most of the ones who advocate killing arabs happen to be stupid americans who for some reason want to cleanse the country.
raz
April 21, 2009 at 9:33 am
J.G.Ballard wrote that in 1967, but it didn’t stop him getting respectful obituaries in the Indy and the Grauniad yesterday:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2009/apr/19/jg-ballard-author-dies-aged-78
and
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/news/j-g-ballard-dies-aged-78-after-long-illness-1671321.html
niqnaq
April 21, 2009 at 10:06 am
Zion has few, if any, operational nukes. And in nuclear conflagration terms Zion, itself, is a One Bomb country/colony. Zion isn’t going to nuke anyone or anything, any time in the foreseeable future.
Hoarsewhisperer
April 21, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Everybody except you thinks it has — at least — two or three hundred nukes, and the only uncertainty is about whether it has managed to fit them onto submarine-launchable missiles, or is only able to fit them onto Jericho missiles or air-drop them. If you and you alone have some private knowledge that tells you this is all bluff, then I don’t envy your task in convincing everybody else.
Anyway, you’ve missed my point. I’m not talking about “Israel,’ I’m talking about the Jewish power elite. They don’t care what happens to ‘Israel.’ It’s just a tethered goat, to draw out the tigers.
niqnaq
April 21, 2009 at 2:48 pm
“Israel is thought to have produced sufficient fissile material to build 100 to 200 warheads by the mid-1990s. In 1986 descriptions and photographs of Israeli nuclear warheads were published in the London Sunday Times of a purported underground bomb factory at the Dimona nuclear reactor. The photographs were taken by Mordechai Vanunu, a dismissed Israeli nuclear technician. His information led some experts to conclude that Israel had a stockpile of 100 to 200 nuclear devices at that time. By the late 1990s the CIA estimated that Israel possessed between 75-130 weapons, based on production estimates. The stockpile would certainly include warheads for mobile Jericho-1 and Jericho-2 missiles, as well as bombs for Israeli aircraft, and may include other tactical nuclear weapons of various types. Some published estimates even claimed that Israel might have as many as 400 nuclear weapons by the late 1990s.”
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/nuke/
niqnaq
April 21, 2009 at 2:48 pm
I agree with you that the Jewish power elite want to own everything. I think that the specifics of mortgage crisis and falling house prices indicate that they anticipate massive purchase of real estate. Banks in USA have already been accused of holding a shadow list of real estate that should be up for sale but is being held back
jocelyn braddell
April 21, 2009 at 5:25 pm
I’ve changed all instances of the term ‘the Jews’ to ‘the Jewish power elite’ throughout this thread. The semantics of saying ‘the Jews’ are goddam treacherous. As I see it, the Jewish power elite, who speak and act in the name of ‘the Jewish people’ — a deliberately ambiguous term — use the masses who happen to have been brought up Jewishly and are naturally terrified of ‘racial’ or ‘religious’ or ‘ethnic’ persecution, as hostages. I can never reiterate enough that ‘Jewishness’ is not a genetic trait transmitted in some imagined common gene, though Raz and Hitler agree that it should be regarded as such (and that’s probably not the only Nazi plank they agree on, either).
niqnaq
April 21, 2009 at 6:44 pm
If you read Hitler’s private and public correspondence, working your way through the inner party debates resulting in the Nuremberg Laws, and applied in actual historical practice, as recorded in books like “Hitler’s Jewish Soldiers,” you will find something more nuanced. The Nazis were methodical but I’m not sure they did biological studies on all those
tacit and official “honoraries” etc. to explain the exemptions.
From another vantage, DNA studies involving issues related to e.g. “Khazar” conversions, Ashkenazi vs. Sephardic and even applied to historical periods when “ancient” “Israelites” proselytized, one might conclude that only if you argue tautologically & ex post facto can one maintain “unalterable genetic quality.”
Ken Hoop
April 21, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Well, the Nazis claimed, at least in popular propaganda, to represent a ‘race,’ of an almost primordial sort; Mussolini only claimed that the Italians could be forged into a ‘race’ gradually; Evola’s racial doctrine, which was officially adopted by the Italian fascists, argued that there would remain a hierarchy of ‘races’ within the Italian nation, which is closer to what the Nazis said in their more scholarly works about the German nation. A useful book on this is Christopher Hutton’s “Race & the Third Reich” (Polity Press, UK/US, 2005)
niqnaq
April 21, 2009 at 7:35 pm
The “Jewish Power Elite” seems to be the most accurate description going.
It beats “The Men behind the Curtain” by a fair stretch, I’d say….
stevieb
April 22, 2009 at 3:17 am
re niqnaq 2-48 pm
I’m not as gullible as ‘most people’ and am more interested in facts than conjecture and conspiracy theories. The fact that there are no facts about Israel’s nukes strongly suggests that they don’t exist. Israel’s entreched parsimony and contractual dishonesty is another strong indicator. (Profit ALWAYS comes before performance).
Strategically speaking, it doesn’t matter how many nukes Israel has, or insinuates that it has. It’s the number it can deliver in the first few minutes that determine the destructiveness of the ensuing blowback. The available facts suggest that it doesn’t have the means to deliver any. Their own rockets are a joke and without rockets their only choice is to recruit IOF Air Force suicide bombers – a rather bizarre joke all on its own considering Zion’s outright distaste for such creatures.
Hoarsewhisperer
April 22, 2009 at 2:27 pm
What is the point of your sneer quotes around the phrase ‘most people’? Are you disputing the literal truth of my assertion that most people believe they have them, or are you just trying to smear the assertion?
As for delivery systems, I agree that Israel is vulnerable to a first strike against its launch sites. This is why the submarines are important. The Israeli submarine fleet consists of three (soon five) German-built Dolphin-class diesel vessels. It is widely suspected that their four larger 25.5-inch (648 mm) torpedo tubes could be capable of launching nuclear-armed Popeye Turbo cruise missiles. These are made in Israel by Rafael, despite their name — the US version is called, even more incomprehensibly, Have Nap.
niqnaq
April 22, 2009 at 2:42 pm
The quotes around ‘most people’ were intended to re-contextualise your insinuated concept of ‘most people’. You used it to differentiate me from everyone else on Earth. If I used it in your context then the implication would be that I think I’m the least gullible person on Earth and that wouldn’t be true.
The point you seem to be missing is that one doesn’t fire off nukes willy-nilly in a fit of pique. One MUST first consider a wide range of possible military and non-military consequences. Confining the discussion to military consequences, the primary military consideration is retaliation. Israel couldn’t possibly neutralise all, or even a significant proportion, of all the sites from which retaliation could come.
It’s im-possible. Therefore it won’t happen because Israel would be the biggest loser.
Hoarsewhisperer
April 22, 2009 at 5:02 pm
On second thoughts, make that
Israel would be the smallest loser because, where nukes are concerned, size counts. And size is something Israel doesn’t have…
Hoarsewhisperer
April 22, 2009 at 5:06 pm
These guys will do it, they really want to. They hate the planet, it’s not good enough for them. Remember the ‘Samson Option’, and don’t confuse it with the ‘madman theory’ of the Nixon and Reagan so-called ‘defense intellectuals’, which was a rational strategy, based on game theory, of making your opponents think you were crazy. These guys really are crazy.
niqnaq
April 22, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Nukes from a tiny little imaginary country like Israel, landing in a real country, would only make the people in the real country angry enough to extinguish the little imaginary one.
Hoarsewhisperer
April 22, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Remember what Martin Van Creveld said in 2003:
Asked if he was worried about Israel becoming a rogue state, Creveld argued that Israel wouldn’t care much:
niqnaq
April 22, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Imo, we’ll see a Jews vs Zionists civil war in Israel before we see Zion resort to a pre-emptive nuclear strike on a neighbor.
Anyway, I agree they’re crazy. That’s why I reckon their nukes don’t matter. The ‘contractor’ responsible for building them would have been crazy, greedy and corrupt enough to put ripping off the government ahead of building nukes that actually work.
It’s genetic.
Can’t help stealing; can’t help lying about it…
Hoarsewhisperer
April 22, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Also, remember what Albert Pike said in his letter to Mazzini (at least, according to Commander Carr, who claimed to have seen this letter, though no one else has):
niqnaq
April 22, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Martin Van Creveld?
I Googled him many moons ago after WS Lind quoted him. I concluded that Lind was doing a bit of literary cherry-picking. I mean, even in the the quote you reproduced, you’d have to agree that MVC has mastered the art of self-deception. Wars are won by people prepared to die for what they’re fighting for. That’s NOT Israelis.
What he should have said is
“Our armed forces are not the thirtieth most cowardly in the world, but rather the second or third.”
They’re far too risk-averse to be taken seriously by anyone but themselves.
…and undefended women and children, of course.
Hoarsewhisperer
April 22, 2009 at 6:01 pm