i think i have always made it clear that, imo, the “end of apartheid” was purely cosmetic

At least 30 killed as S. African police
open fire on thousands of striking miners

Russia Today, Aug 16 2012

South African police opened fire at striking miners at the Marikana platinum mine, killing at least 30 protesters. The incident became the bloodiest industrial dispute in South Africa in the 20 years since the end of the country’s Apartheid regime. ­South African Minister of Police Nathi Mthethwa confirmed the death toll:

A lot of people were injured and the number keeps on going up.

The killings occurred after police, attempting to lay down barricades of barbed wire, were outflanked by a crowd of 3,000 demonstrators armed with machetes and spears. Nine people were killed prior to Thursday’s clashes in a wave of protest in the mining town, located 100 km northwest of Johannesburg. The platinum mine, owned by Lonmin PLC, has been the focal point of strikes and violence since last Friday stemming from wage disputes. Fighting intensified over the weekend when two police officers were killed. Striking workers and local security guards also became embroiled in the violence. Some 3,000 police massed in the area on Wednesday wearing riot gear and supported by helicopters. Demonstrators were reinforced on Thursday by a group of women pledging to stand by their husbands in their demand for increased wages. Lonmin announced that the disruption means the company is unlikely to meet its 2012 production targets. Shares in the company tumbled 6% following Thursday’s violence, bringing total losses since the outset of the strike to 13%. The miners are reportedly demanding a raise in wages to over $1,000 a month.


  1. hans
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 8:01 am | Permalink

    i think i have always made it clear that, imo, the “end of apartheid” was purely cosmetic

    Just watch any sports where SA is participating. Looking at their supporters you never will think that Black Africans are the majority. These same Whites now pretend that they were all anti-apartheid supporters.

  2. helvena
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 2:50 pm | Permalink

    Only naive fools ever thought the end of apartheid would bring Blacks into power. Oppenhiemer (christian convert, uber supporter of israel) bank rolled Mandela. The end of apartheid meant the end of white non-jewish influence and a free jewish reign. Note now chinese are legally black in SA. The niggars (both white and black) were duped again.

  3. niqnaq
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    Yes, the key to it all was when the ANC abandoned the communist (i.e. marxist-leninist) demand to nationalise the natural resources of the country, including the mines themselves (as industrial plant). You must be referring to ‘Nicky’ Oppenheimer, the De Beers (diamond mines) owner.

    I think the media will suggest that the ‘real’ reason for this massacre is a power struggle between rival miners’ unions (an analysis the govt will endeavour to make into a truth, by fostering such a rivalry).

  4. helvena
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    Actually it was his grandfather Ernest who first converted (now bured in St. George’s church Parktown) and yet Harry, Nicky’s father, was bar mitzed at 13 but then as an adult found jesus. Neither Harry or Nicky’s mother were jewish. Nicky’s wife’s maiden name was Orcillia “Strilli” Lasch. So it pretty much sounds like they are anything that fits their needs.

    Marx only attacked productive capitalism (i.e. industry) never the the jewish strong hold of finance capitalism. Fred’s shtick was to divide the people into rich and poor on the bases of real wealth (productivity) making it much easier for the jew to slide into control of the flow of money, the means of distributing wealth. And we know how that story plays out.

  5. niqnaq
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 4:11 pm | Permalink

    If you control a large part of the world’s production of gold, you can perhaps screw the bankers..

    Marx tended to treat finance capital as peripheral, but at the same time he admitted that it was the added instabilities introduced by finance that cause the general and perpetual capitalist crisis to appear in the form that it always does (recurrent stock and bond crashes, which I would call ‘profitability crises’).

    By the way, helvena, this will interest you: Jean Thiriart, arguably the original ‘nazi-maoist’ (though he once met Chou En Lai, at the time the Chinese were not interested and did not respond). Indeed, Claudio Mutti, the Italian ‘nazi-maoist’ whom I mentioned to you before, was a fan of Thiriart’s:
    I think I have to say (contra the SPLC-affiliated Martin Lee’s book The Beast Reawakens), that there is a genuine interpenetration of right-wing and left-wing thought in some of these people’s theories. Unfortunately, the ‘Atlanticist’ (pro-US) wing of the European Right-wing parties always triumphs over these variously Yockeyite types.

  6. helvena
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 4:30 pm | Permalink

    Thanks, interesting. I’m suprised though that a nationalist would use the word “quislings”. Surely he knew his history? I am also very sceptical of any group that promotes ‘united’ this or that when historically people grouped themselves. I would think more of a federation should be considered (my musing).

  7. niqnaq
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 4:52 pm | Permalink

    I don’t see where either Wikipedia or Mutti (in his article that I linked) use the word ‘quislings’. Mutti’s ‘nazi-maoists’ had some great slogans:

    Long live the fascist dictatorship of the proletariat!

    was one. Another was:

    Hitler and Mao, united in struggle!

    But after Nixon & Kissinger forged their alliance with China, Thiriart himself reverted to Yockeyism (i.e. Yurp has to ally with Russia, the old ‘eurasianist’ formula)

  8. Helvena
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 5:08 pm | Permalink

    from the link: Thiriart uses it
    In 1967, Thiriart was busy in Algiers: “It’s possible, it’s a must to consider a parallel action and hope the military formation of a kind of European revolutionary Reichswehr in Algeria. Nowadays, the governments of Belgium, Holland, England, Germany and Italy are in a different way the satellites of Washington; so, we, national-Europeans, European revolutionaries, we must go to Africa to form the cadres of a future political-military structure that, after serving in the Mediterranean Sea and in the Near East, could fight in Europe to defeat the quislings of Washington. Delenda est Carthago”.

    FYI – people always believe you are telling them the truth if you tell them what they already believe. (lots of truth in this)

  9. niqnaq
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 5:20 pm | Permalink

    hmm, see what you mean.

    If you look closely at these red-brown groups you find the pro-west secret services controlling them, again and again. Forty of the 200 members of FANE (Federation d’Action Nationale Europeene) were cops. And FANE had fraternal links to CEDADE in Spain, the VMO in Flanders, Stefano della Chiaie’s Avangardia Nazionale in Italy, the WUNS in Denmark, and the Grey Wolves in Turkey. And yet their leaders seem so pure, so anti-US, etc. It’s a fantastic deception system.

  10. niqnaq
    Posted August 18, 2012 at 6:43 pm | Permalink

    Here is the story of the rival miners’ unions, one in the pocket of the govt and one radical breakaway:
    In a classic Orwellian twist, the south african communist party has called for the arrest of the leaders of the radical breakaway union:

  11. hp
    Posted August 19, 2012 at 3:13 am | Permalink

    SA is “Dune” and the spice must flow.

    The amounts of gold, platinum, rare metals is so far pretty much unprecedented in the world,eh?

    Not so long ago their chromium production alone could dictate.

    The spice must flow as all the Africans are just beginning to find out..

  12. niqnaq
    Posted August 19, 2012 at 9:26 am | Permalink

    Helvena, there seems to me to be an organisational continuity between the 20% of the KKK which was FBI in the 1960s, and the 20% of the European hard right that was undercover police in the 1980s. The only single person who seems to surface again and again in every single large ‘unified’ network, first in post-WW2 Germany, then in the US, and then in Europe, is Otto Ernst Remer. If he was an undercover US agent, that would explain it all. His reputation throughout the global right wing was absolutely godlike.

  13. helvena
    Posted August 19, 2012 at 11:35 am | Permalink

    Of course it’s possible that Remer was dirty but that doesn’t make the ideas he betrayed wrong, it only postpones their realization. The same can be said for the true Left. As you have said before there is a coming together of the far right and far left because they both want truth/reality. It’s the only way we can live as thinking people.

  14. niqnaq
    Posted August 19, 2012 at 11:44 am | Permalink

    I think it must be widely agreed by now that Evola sold out to NATO, and dealt with his young Italian recruits accordingly: he directed them into urban guerrilla groups that he knew were controlled by NATO intelligence, either not telling them, or ‘initiating’ them privately and convincing them that compared with communism this was the lesser of two evils. So the same may be true of Remer. But publicly, they disagreed with each other about the possibility of allying with the USSR against the US, Remer admitting the possibility and Evola rejecting it.

  15. helvena
    Posted August 19, 2012 at 11:50 am | Permalink

    Ok so what is the answer, just give up? I can’t do that. I must try to follow principle I think are just and let life unfold. It’s the only way to be alive.

  16. niqnaq
    Posted August 19, 2012 at 11:57 am | Permalink

    I think the answer is not to get sidetracked into mystical ideas about ones own supposed ‘nation’ or race’. As you know I have flirted with the hegelian idea that nations are as it were “ideas in the mind of god” but now I am convinced that the idea of any given nation is almost as arbitrary as the idea of any given race. What actually exists is purely political, i.e. conjunctions of group and class interest constantly pretending to be defending a race or a nation or a religion or a sexual preference or a hair style or whatever as and when convenient. We know what we’re against, the global ZOG — which incidentally is so undeniably obvious a reality nowadays, that it has become merely quaint to read authors who ridicule the term. Compared to that, anything else is the lesser of two evils, and we can be as flexible and pragmatic as we like.

  17. helvena
    Posted August 19, 2012 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    You’ve been right before when I doubted you and you are probably right now but I need to get my head out of the paradigm it’s in now, which will take some thinking.

  18. niqnaq
    Posted August 19, 2012 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    I’ve added a remark to the front of Our Lizard Masters Say, Sell which might indicate the way this thing can twist around, as indeed Germany was used before as a disposable kamikaze engine.

  19. helvena
    Posted August 19, 2012 at 12:57 pm | Permalink

    Hp, you’re right SA like Afghanistan is Dune the carrot they are holding out to the Chinese.

    RB -The problem is the matrix has many levels and most people only are aware of the two or three that affect them directly so the other issue/levels are used against us. On the other hand reality can’t be denied forever.

  20. niqnaq
    Posted August 19, 2012 at 1:37 pm | Permalink

    The Jews are victims of their own success, always. They get to the point where they are so arrogant they blatantly expect everyone to agree that the sun shines out of their assholes and this becomes absurd.

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