I’ve been thinking about this, and something just struck me: serious military planners never leave anything to chance if they can help it. We have no evidence that there were any fighters accompanying the Boeing, except for this fellow Carlos the Spanish air controller (@spainbuca), who I personally have never believed in at all. I have argued repeatedly that the two fighters would have been a very desirable, if not an essential feature of the plan to trick DPR/NPR “Buk” (assuming it exists, which I do, because they tweeted with pride about it until this happened, but have now deleted the tweets). My reasoning was, NATO know that DPR/LPR have this “Buk” because just a few days ago it announced that it had shot a Kiev plane down. And, as I said, previously DPR/LPR had tweeted with pride about its capture. So, I argued, NATO sent fighters alongside the Boeing, with the known radar and radio signatures, to trick DPR/LPR into assuming the three planes were all military at high altitude, and firing a “Buk” at them. But, if we accept that Kiev had “Buk” units of its own in the area, it would be so much simpler and more certain for them to shoot down the Boeing themselves, and it would not then require any hypotheses about fighter escorts, for which we had no other word but Carlos. And then, the video below, of the “Buk” launcher minus a missile, rolling away, would be Kiev’s own “Buk”, which would be a nice irony. Someone on Saker says of the video below:
Video of that supposedly rebel “Buk” with 3 rockets according to information from ru sites is from town under complete control of Kiev. Location on video is town of Krasnoarmeisk, Gorkogo 49.
South Front says:
On the video Krasnoarmeisk city, visible billboard with advertising car dealership on Dnipropetrovsk St, 34. May 11, and city is still under the control of the junta troops.
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It’s absurd of Kiev to claim the above video is of DPR/LPR’s “Buk” unit running for the Russian border, for two reasons. First, the DPR/LPR would not relinquish possession of its “Buk” unit, because it takes its own self-defense very, very seriously and I do not believe it would panic at the thought of for instance being spotted by satellite reconnaissance; and second, because smuggling the “Buk” unit ‘back’ into Russia is itself a concept designed by Kiev for the propaganda purpose of asserting once again that Russia is where it came from, rather than its having been captured from Kiev forces themselves, which is what DPR/LPR claimed for it before they clammed up and scrubbed their original tweets to this effect. To smuggle it across the border into Russia would be more conspicuous than to keep it wherever it is right now, because the border is already under maximum satellite surveillance by Usaia, hunting for support for the claim that that is where all DPR/LPR heavy weapons come from. For DPR/LPR to move their “Buk” unit at this point would be stupid. The sensible thing to do would be just leave it wherever it is right now, and to make sure it’s not visible from the air. Plus, we have this:
Russian Defense Ministry has recorded a SAM radar operation by Ukraine on the day of the crash
LifeNews.ru, Jul 18 2014
The press service of the Russian Defense Ministry reported that the route, which flew Boeing 777, as well as the place of his fall into the affected area of two Ukrainian batteries of anti-aircraft missile (SAM) complex long-range S-200 and three batteries of anti-aircraft missile complex medium-range Buk-M1. The Ministry noted:
The Russian equipment detected throughout Jul 17 the activity of a Kupol radar, deployed as part of a Buk-M1 battery near Styla (a village some 30km south of Donetsk).
This station is designed to provide radar information to command posts of air defense formations, units of the air defense and control, and air defense systems equipped with “Buk” or “Tor” missiles. The Defense Ministry stressed that the technical characteristics of anti-aircraft missile complex “Buk-M1” allow the exchange of information on air between batteries of the same division. Thus, the launch of rockets could also be carried out with all batteries stationed in the locality or Avdiivka (8 km north of Donetsk) or Gruzsko-Saranskoe (25 km east of Donetsk). Experts say that the aircraft at a height of 10 km can be shot down by missiles launched by type complexes S-300 or “Buk”. Self-propelled anti-aircraft missile complex “Buk” is designed to hit targets at altitudes from 30 m to 14-18 km. On Jul 16, the armed forces of Ukraine relocated a division “Buk” to the Donetsk region.
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According to a comment by Paul on VotS it is standard practice throughout the ex-USSR military space to have the tips of live missiles painted white and training/test (ie inert warhead) missiles painted red. The missiles in the original pictures accompanying the alleged capture of the Buks by the DP Militia all had red tips. The ones in this video white.
Frankly it looks more and more to me like this was no accident by the militia, nor a case of them being lured into the shoot-down either. Rather it was indeed a careful, if hastily, planned event with the UKie military themselves firing whatever brought the Boeing down. I also suspect that the planners are from the same stable as the many previous Empire false-flag/dirty-tricks orchestrators and that the choice of a Malayan Airlines plane was quite deliberate. Experience of these ‘deep events’ to date shows that a few loose ends simply don’t matter to the perps. Once the propaganda mill is cranked into high gear with the required versions(s) of events, the desired sheeple-herding objective is in the bag. 9-11 and the USS Liberty (among many others) demonstrate that, no matter how damning the actual post-event evidence, the official narrative stands.
Well found, Peter, congratulations. If you follow that Colonel Cassad story back to the original Rusvesna, one, right at the bottom, you can see the radar vehicle, about which I have been going on from time to time, that “Buk” is radar guided and hence cannot find its target by itself. it needs both launch and radar vehicles to operate. As for the warheads, I think that is probably a minor point. Obviously, you don’t put H.E. onto anything until you need it: it’s both dangerous and perishable.
It seems to me that the parachute video and the Antonov video are one and the same, so that’s the parachutes disposed of. But I want to know, not the times, exactly, but the interval between the Antonov shootdown and the Boeing shootdown. It can’t be very long, if the two are so readily confused by witnesses. By the way, an Antonov could never have flown high enough to tempt the rebels to use a “Buk” on it, so they must have used something less spectacular, like a “Strela”, correct?
I began to wonder whether that photo of a radar truck was really part of a “Buk” system, or possibly something more high-grade, so I went to Wikipedia to find out. It turns out that “Buk” is the name of a whole family of missile systems, from “Urugan” upwards, and “Kupol” is the name of its accompanying radar system:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
Yes, from what ive heard earlier it is the “Urugan” the kiev has.
And a buk is usually made up of 4 parts (minimum 2 parts to make it work: missile and radar/command).
Atleast thats what ive heard;)
I think Kiev have most of them. And they have S-200 and S-300, too, though they are officially supposed to have scrapped S-200, you can bet they kept it under wraps somewhere, just in case later maybe they could sell it to north Korea.
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I doubt kiev has much updated weaponry, with exception of what the industry produce for russia.
Ukraine is to broke and run downed to afford keeping updating the military.
Btw i see south front published this on their page:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=660399907385301&id=608489642576328
About the fake buk evidence.
Anyone have closer investigation into it?
(I assume cant “lure” some naiv western reporter to actually find the sign;) (i doubt any would desire to do it deliberatly if so).
I dont 100% trust south front either;) (to much denial of the captured buk).
Ignore my stupid post (i was sleepy;)
I see you wrote it yourself in this thread;)
But would been nice if the info could been confirmed:)
It would been a smoking gun, which could backfire like a boomerang towards kiev).
(1-2 missiles missing, even if staged.. It was then the kiev who then would have to answer charges of it beeing used or if they staged it).
We know Kiev have got “Smerch”, which is another model in the “Buk” family, a bit longer range than “Urugan”. DPR/LPR have reported this being used to bombard certain cities at a range of over 50 km.
Yes but if we know the adress in the video, then its possible to give live proof that kiev is full of shit (in western media).
I tried using google maps, but wasnt allowed to get street view;)
(The street adresse).
South Front added further detail about that street location, which I have put into the post.