No more Pindo, Euro or other overseas rich Jews telling Israeli Jews how to live, if they can’t stop exploiting Israel like it was a Jewish version of Vietnam! This looks deceptively easy, given that the dollar is on the way out anyway, because one doesn’t at once reckon with the proportion of the Israel Jewish population who have implicitly accepted the idea that the future involves planetary culling by the Pindo Jews, on behalf of the Israeli Jews. It’s too naive (and morally abominable, of course) to be taken seriously, and nobody would ever admit to it, but absent this culling, Israel has no demographic future as a member of the western alliance. Indeed, it will be among the first outliers to be overrun. Therefore, obviously, as I have been saying for 5 years, Israel must leave the western alliance. Ask anyone, I have said this trillions of times. But I hasten to add, I don’t want to make any more political predictions. I want only a quiet future for myself as a student of the kabbalah, along with family, no doubt. What’s a Jew without family? Certainly not a student of kabbalah!
I’m a little bit disappointed with Sarah Kofman because she doesn’t seem to possess the intellectual wherewithal to dispute Nietzsche on at least one obvious point, which she as a Jewess should have spotted (excuse me the archaism, I know it’s non PC). The issue is this: Nietzsche, for no known historical reasons, decided that “Jewish priests” were responsible for “the slave revolt in morals,” or rather for regularizing it as a new ‘religion’: Christianity. Poor Sarah Kofman, as you know, committed suicide, and I had thought that this was because of her early loss of her father, which could indeed be the root cause, but to accept Nietzsche on this point is nothing short of Jewish selbsthass. The slave revolt in morals was the rise of the Christian (déclassé) underground in Rome and the other big cities, to a level at which it became politically expedient to the rulers of the empire to exploit it. To say this was orchestrated by “Jewish priests” is ridiculous. Leaders of the sebomenai or sub-Jews such as ‘Paul of Tarsus’ were renegades against the priestly cult of Jayloomia – RB
Ken Livingstone suspended from Labour after Hitler remarks
Anushka Asthana, Rowena Mason, Graun, Apr 28 2016
Labour has suspended Ken Livingstone “for bringing the party into disrepute,” after accusations of anti-Semitism and making offensive comments about Hitler supporting Zionism. More than 20 MPs had called on Jeremy Corbyn (for Livingstone) to be expelled or investigated over the remarks he made while trying to defend the suspended Bradford MP, Naz Shah. The party’s chief whip has also called in the chair of the all-party group on anti-Semitism to discuss his confrontation of Livingstone at the BBC, in which he called him a “disgusting Nazi apologist.” Livingstone was suspended after he appeared on BBC London to claim that, while Shah’s remarks were “over the top,” she had said nothing that amounted to anti-Semitism. She had been suspended for
promoting ‘Liking’ a Facebook post in 2014 which itself suggested that Israelis should be deported, and for claiming that “the Jews are rallying” to support a poll about the Isro-Pal conflict. During his interview, Livingstone said Hitler had supported Zionism “before he went mad and ended up killing 6 million Jews,” and claimed there was a “well-orchestrated campaign by the Israel lobby to smear anybody who criticises Israel policy as anti-Semitic.” He said:
Frankly, there’s been an attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn and his associates as anti-Semitic, from the moment he became leader. The simple fact is (that) we have the right to criticise what is one of the most brutal regimes going, in the way it treats the Plastelinans.
Livingstone was confronted at the BBC studios by Mann, who called him a “disgusting Nazi apologist” and then repeated his accusations to Livingstone live on air (this is what the rest of the political class calls an ambush – RB), saying:
I think you’ve lost it, Mr Livingstone! What are you on at the moment? You certainly shouldn’t be on Labour’s national executive!
It is the second time Livingstone has been suspended from Labour. The first occasion was when he put himself forward as an independent candidate for the (post of) London mayor in 2000. It is also not the first time he has been in hot water over accusations of anti-Semitism, having been ‘investigated’ ( RB) for likening a Jewish reporter to a Nazi concentration camp guard in 2005. Pressure mounted on Corbyn to suspend Livingstone after MPs made their anger known. It is understood that deputy leader Tom Watson made clear he was angry and offended by the comments, and concerned about their potentially damaging effect on the electoral prospects of hundreds of candidates. The disagreeably formulaic machine politician Sadiq Khan said on Twitter that the comments were “appalling and inexcusable” and there must be no place for them in the party. Half a dozen Labour MPs whose names are hardly known were also among those calling for Livingstone to be suspended, and a shadow cabinet minister told the House of Commons:
I am sick & tired of people trying to explain away anti-Semitism!
I don’t know what it is, but I know it when I see it, and I see it here, plain as the nose on my face, like a terrible witch brandishing a glittering scythe in the moonlight, as sheYes, I’m talking to you, Ken Livingstone!
One former minister tweeted:
I simply cannot reconcile being in the same party as someone with these views!
Poo! Smells of shit! Crikey!!
Allies of Corbyn also turned on Livingstone. Someone of enormous importance who helped run Corbyn’s leadership campaign, said with remarkable superciliousness, we thought, as if he had been practicing the line:
A period of silence from Ken Livingstone is overdue, especially on anti-Semitism, racism and Zionism. It’s time he left politics altogether.
A former chair of the Labour Friends of Israel remarked that Livingstone was chair of Labour’s international policy commission, and that his comments suggested he must be “actively seeking suspension and notoriety.” The rows over Shah and Livingstone have been going on amid wider claims that the party has failed to get a grip on anti-Semitism among some of its members (who knew? – RB).
Ken Livingstone interview transcripts in full
Jon Stone, The Independent (UK), Apr 28 2016
Ken Livingstone has been suspended from the Labour party after he waded into a row about anti-Semitism in a series of media interviews. Initially defending Naz Shah, who was suspended for alleged anti-Semitic comments, Mr Livingstone was ultimately accused of anti-Semitism himself. Here are full transcripts of what Mr Livingstone said in the interviews he gave on Thursday.
BBC London, Vanessa Feltz Show: The interview that sparked the controversy. Asked whether Naz Shah was anti-Semitic:
She’s a deep critic of Israel and its policies. Her remarks were over-the-top but she’s not anti-Semitic. I’ve been in the Labour party for 47 years; I’ve never heard anyone say anything anti-Semitic. I’ve heard a lot of criticism of the state of Israel and its abuse of Plastelinans, but I’ve never heard anyone say anything anti-Semitic.
Livingstone suspended by Labour over “Hitler supported Zionism” remark:
It’s completely over the top, but it’s not anti-Semitism. Let’s remember, when Hitler won his election in 1932, his policy then was that Jews should be moved to Israel. He was supporting Zionism. This before he went mad and ended up killing six million Jews. The simple fact in all of this is that Naz made these comments at a time when there was another brutal
IsraeliJewish attack on the PlastelinansArabs.
On Israel and Plastelina:
And there’s one stark fact that virtually no one in the British media ever reports, in almost all these conflicts the death toll is usually between 60 and 100
PlastelinansArabs killed for every IsraeliJew. Now, any other country doing that would be accused of war crimes, but it’s like we have a double standard about the policies of the Israeli government.
On Anti-Semitism in the Labour Party:
As I’ve said, I’ve never heard anybody say anything anti-Semitic, but there’s been a very well-orchestrated campaign by the Israel lobby to smear anybody who criticises Israeli policy as anti-Semitic. I had to put up with 35 years of this. Let’s look at someone who’s Jewish who actually said something very similar to what Naz has just said: Albert Einstein. When (Jabotinsky) the first leader of Likud, the governing party now in Israel, came to Pindostan, (Einstein) warned Pindosi politicians: “Don’t talk to this man, because he’s too similar to the fascists we fought in WW2.” Now if Naz or myself said that today, we would be denounced as anti-Semitic, but that was Albert Einstein. … After Jeremy became leader, I was having a chat with Michael, and he said he was very worried because one of his friends who was Jewish had come to him and said: “The election of Jeremy Corbyn is exactly the same as the first step to the rise of Adolf Hitler to power.” Frankly, there’s been an attempt to smear Jeremy Corbyn and his associates as anti-Semitic from the moment he became leader. The simple fact is, we have the right to criticise what is one of the most brutal regimes going, in the way it treats the
Daily Politics, BBC Two: A response to critics aired at 12.10, on anti-Semitism in the Labour party:
Literally, I’ve been a member for 47 years. I’ve never heard anyone say anything anti-Semitic. I’ve heard a lot of criticism of Israel. If I was to criticise the South African government as riddled with corruption, you wouldn’t say I was racist, you’d say I was being critical of that government. I think blurring these two things undermines the importance of anti-Semitism, because a real anti-Semite doesn’t just hate the Jews in Israel, they hate their Jewish neighbours in Golders Green or Stoke Newington. It’s a physical loathing.
On Naz Shah:
It’s completely over-the-top and rude, but who am I to denounce anyone with all of that. It was wrong. I don’t think she is anti-Semitic. It was incredibly rude, but I don’t believe she is an anti-Semite. When the NEC investigation is finished, they’ll say it was rude and over the top but they won’t find any evidence that she actually hates Jews. We’ve got to investigate all these charges and the context in which they are made. If she is anti-Semitic, like the other three or four members we’ve found who are anti-Semitic, she’ll be expelled.
On other alleged anti-Semites in Labour. Ken Livingstone stands by his comments:
That is part of the classic anti-Semitic thing about an ‘international Jewish conspiracy.’ That is the reason we need to have an investigation. I’ve got an open mind. I’ve seen nothing to suggest to me that she is anti-Semitic. I wouldn’t have supported her if I [thought] she was anti-Semitic.
On whether what Hitler did was legal, as stated by Naz Shah:
That’s a statement of fact. Hitler, I’m sure, passed all those laws that allowed him to do that. It’s history. Literally, Hitler was completely mad. He killed six million Jews. She’s not saying it’s legal to kill six million Jews. What they were doing in that country allowed them not just to kill six million Jews, (but also) kill all the communists, kill all the leftists, like me. My father almost died when a Nazi sub sank his boat. I have no sympathy with Hitler.
On another alleged anti-Semite in Labour:
No, that is, and that’s why she’s been suspended or expelled. What I’ve said is that in 47 years of the party, in all the meetings I’ve been in, I’ve never heard anyone say anything anti-Semitic. There are bound to be, in a party of half a million people, you’ll have a handful of anti-Semites, you’ll have a handful of racists. You’ve managed to dig out virtually every anti-Semitic comment that Labour members have made out of half a million people. I’ve never met any of these people. There’s not a problem. You’re talking about a handful of people in a party of half a million people. Jeremy Corbyn has moved rapidly to deal with them.
On Jeremy Corbyn’s response to the allegations:
He met with Naz and she agreed she would stand down while the investigation is going on. He called her in to see her. There’s been a huge investigation of virtually everything that anybody put on the internet … Many of these people are quite new and recent members of the party that joined in the big influx. 300,000 new people came in.
On his meeting a man accused of anti-Semitism in London:
This is the man who called for Muslims around the world to donate blood after the attacks of 9/11 when he came to London I went with him to the Regent’s Park mosque where he said no man should hit a woman and you should not discriminate against homosexuals. So I can’t equate what I heard him say… He made no anti-Semitic statement while he was here in London. I don’t investigate people.
On John Mann’s comments:
He went completely over the top. I was actually doing a radio interview at the time that he was bellowing that I’m a racist anti-Semite in my ear. I’ve had that with John Mann before, a few weeks ago, screaming that I was a bigot down the phone. I’m not an apologist for anyone who makes anti-Semitic statements. What I’m saying is, don’t confuse anti-Semitism with criticism of the Israeli government policy. These things erupt. They dominate the news for 24, 48 hours. People calm down again when you go back and check what was really said. I’m sure people have had calls from the Daily Mail and the Daily Telegraph saying: “He’s said this, that and the other.” They’ll find out that’s not what I’ve said. We’ll leave Naz to be investigated. I believe she’ll be cleared of anti-Semitism. If she isn’t, she’ll be expelled from the party.
On calling a Jewish journalist a “concentration camp guard” whilst Mayor of London:
I can’t tell if a journalist is Jewish or Catholic or anything. If a journalist is chasing you down the street at nine of clock at night, you might be rude to them. Some people might have hit him! He said he was just doing his job. We went all the way to the High Court and the judge opened his judgement by saying: “I hope no one here is going to suggest that Mr Livingstone is anti-Semitic.” We won the case.
On claims about Hitler and Zionism:
He didn’t win the election. He became the largest party in 1932. His policy here wasn’t to kill the Jews. It was to deport them all to Israel. The simple truth, if you go back and check, that was Hitler’s policy when he first came to power: to move Germany’s Jews to Israel. I denounce that. I’m being questioned in an interview, I answer the question. You’ve never known me not answer a question you’ve put to me. I’m asked a question, I answer it. … The simple truth is that was Hitler’s policy in 1932 when he came to power. Things are either historically true or they’re not. That’s one of the reasons I pursue the policies I do, because I study history. If you study history, you can avoid making the same mistakes again. My objection to the Israeli government is that for nearly 70 years the Plastelinans have been kept in appalling conditions. I’m not making any link between the current Israeli policy and Hitler. I was asked the question in the interview, and it just so happens to be a historical fact. If you say to me: “Is it true that we were invaded by the Normans in 1066?” I’m going to say yes, because it’s true and I’m not going to avoid the truth.
On John Mann:
I’d simply say to John Mann, go back and check. Is what I say true, or is it not? The BBC, you’ve got a huge team of researchers, it will take just an hour or two to go back and confirm. I was asked a question, I answered it. I have never in 45 years since I won my first election, I have never lied. I have always answered the question. … He (Hitler) was a monster from start to finish, but it’s simply the historical fact. His policy was originally to send all of Germany’s Jews to Israel, and there were private meetings between the Zionist movement and Hitler’s government which were kept confidential. They only became apparent after the war, when they were having a dialogue to do this. What John Mann just said isn’t true. I’ve not said that Hitler was a Zionist. What I said was his policy in ‘32 was to deport Germany’s Jews to Israel. I condemn that. I never said it. What I said was, that was his policy. I’m not raising these points. I was planning to have a nice quiet morning in the garden, until suddenly I’m descended on by all these journalists saying: “Is this true? Is that true?” I’m be much happier just to do the gardening, it’s such a nice day out there.
The World at One, BBC Radio 4, A response aired at 1pm. On John Mann:
I’ve had the same problems with John Mann before, he was accusing me of being a racist. He does go over the top. You try and have a conversation with him, and he just keeps talking over you. There’s not much you can do about it really. That’s just John Mann’s style. … Back in 1932, when Hitler won the election that brought him to power, his policy then was to deport all Germany’s Jews to Israel. That’s not because he was a Zionist. It is because he hated Jews. He then had a dialogue with the leaders of the Zionist movement, private, not him personally but his officials, privately discussing whether or not to proceed with that policy. In the end he didn’t. He chose to kill six million Jews. It’s a statement of historical fact. He was, well, not him personally but senior officials were in a secret dialogue with the Zionist movement about whether to proceed with this policy. It’s not inflammatory to tell the truth, and one of the reasons we make so many mistakes in politics is that so few politicians study history. We keep making the same mistakes. All the times I’ve been interviewed I’ve never refused to answer a question. If someone puts a question to me, I’ll answer it. The simple reality is that I answered that question. It shouldn’t take (long), given the scale of the BBC’s research department, for someone to go back and check. It will confirm that what I’ve said is true. That’s the historical truth. I’m not going to deny that the Normans invaded Britain in 1066. We have to live with history.
On raising the issue of Hitler:
It lays you open to people smearing and lying about you. I’ve always answered the questions put to me, and that simple fact is: we’ve had a handful of people saying anti-Semitic things in the Labour Party, they’ve been suspended, some of them are on their way to being expelled, some of them have been expelled already. I have to say, I supported Naz in her campaign. I wouldn’t have done that if I thought she was anti-Semitic. … She was completely over the top and rude, and she apologised. I’ve been a Labour party member for 47 years, and I’ve never heard anyone say anything anti-Semitic. If you’re a bigot, you’re not going to join the Labour party. She’s been suspended. There’ll be an investigation. We’ll see what the whole quote is, not just a bit of it. If it turns out she’s anti-Semitic, she’ll be expelled from the Labour party, but if it turns out she isn’t, I’ll accept that. Let’s see what the investigation comes up with, because I wanted to see the whole context of that. What worries me is (that) this blurring of anti-Semitism with criticism of Israel undermines the importance of tackling anti-Semitism. Someone who is anti-Semitic isn’t just hostile to the Jews living in Israel, they’re hostile to their neighbour in Golders Green, or the neighbour in Stoke Newington. It’s a personal loathing, just like people who hate black people.
On people calling for him to be suspended:
All my usual critics. But the simple fact is I agree with them. There is no place for anti-Semitism in the Labour party. For them to suggest I am anti-Semitic is a bit bizarre, considering. We worked with Jewish groups and put on exhibitions about the scale of the holocaust. We worked with Jewish groups to tackling the scale of anti-Semitism, back in the 1970s. I’ve always opposed every form of racism, whether it’s against black people or Jews. I’m going to stay in the Labour party, and continue to fight against all forms of racism and discrimination, as I have my entire life.
BBC Newsnight, Afternoon reaction after his suspension released before programme:
If you don’t want me to answer questions, journalists shouldn’t ask them. All I wanted to do today was to go out and do some gardening, and then some journalists asked me a question, I answer it too. I would have loved it, it’s a nice day. … One of the problems that we’ve had ever since Jeremy Corbyn got elected is that the media whip up all these issues which are side issues, not the ones that really … Will he wear a white poppy? Was he going to bow to the Queen? What we want to talk about is Labour’s economic strategy about massive increases in investment, cracking down on tax avoidance.