the complete kellyanne interview with chuck todd

Blistering Interview between Kellyanne Conway & Chuck Todd
Tyler Durden, Zero Hedge, Jan 22 2017

To members of the mainstream media, it would appears ‘size matters’, as the Inauguration crowd-gate debacle continues following Sean Spicer’s unusual press conference yesterday. During a combative interview this morning with NBC’s Chuck Todd, Kellyanne Conway blasted media “falsehoods,” crushing Todd’s ‘size’ issues by noting:

Presidents aren’t judged by crowd sizes at their inauguration, they’re judged by their accomplishments.

But Conway was not done with the “Meet The Press” anchor yet, as she cornered him, noting this was just more evidence of the unfair and biased treatment of the Trump administration by the media:

We’re going to have to rethink our relationship with the press… Yesterday, we allowed the press into the Oval Office to witness the signing of executive orders, and what happens? Almost immediately, a falsehood is told about removing the bust of Martin Luther King Jr! That’s just flat-out false! … I’m thrilled that all of a sudden NBC News and Chuck Todd is so focused on covering crowd control because we were mocked daily for talking about the historic significance of the size of the crowds at our rallies during the campaign… On great days we were ignored, and on most days we were mocked. You want the Pindo creeple to think they can’t trust the White House press secretary? That’s a very dangerous statement to make! … Your job is to report the news, not to give your opinion, you’re not an opinion columnist!… You’ve got a 14% approval rating, that you’ve earned!…

And Todd’s response…

…you attack us with some weird Twitter feed that you guys are obsessed with….

See the full bloodbath interview above…

Observable Reality 1, Trump White House 0
Robert Mackey, The Intercept, Jan 22 2017


Social networks filled with laughter and derision on Sunday, in response to the bizarre claim by Donald Trump’s aide, Kellyanne Conway, that the new White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, had not lied to the nation about the size of the crowd at Friday’s inauguration, but merely presented “alternative facts.”

Conway introduced the concept when pressed by Chuck Todd of NBC News to explain why the president had asked Spicer to use his first appearance in the White House briefing room, on Saturday, to falsely claim that the National Mall was filled to capacity during Trump’s inaugural address on Friday.

With a jaw-dropping disregard for objective reality, Spicer had berated the White House press corps for reporting accurately that Trump’s own estimatethat up to 1.5 million people were on the mall was wrong. Since much of what Spicer said in support of his case was demonstrably false, Conway’s phrase was widely mocked.

The brazenness of this attempt by the new White House to present entirely false assertions about objective reality as equally valid alternatives to factual information reported by the media is stunning. But given how important accurate statistics and evidence from the Pindo government are, it is worth noting how clearly Spicer’s claims about the inauguration are contradicted by evidence available to anyone with the power of sight. Spicer told the press corps on Saturday:

We know that from the platform where the president was sworn in to Fourth Street holds about 250,000 people. From Fourth Street to the media tent is about another 220,000, and from the media tent to the Washington Monument, another 250,000 people. All of this space was full when the president took the oath of office.

Leaving aside that this would put the size of the crowd at 720,000, not 1.5 million, photographic evidence, webcam images and video shot by reporters who observed the address from a media tent at the back of the crowd show conclusively that the area of the mall around the tent and in front of the Washington Monument was largely empty. First, the WaPo published news wire images taken from the Washington Monument during the event and on the day of Obama’s first inauguration in 2009 which showed a much smaller crowd this year.

Second, Raj Mathai, a news anchor for the NBC affiliate in the Bay Area, recorded video during Trump’s address which showed that the area in front of the media tent was largely empty.

Third, readers who are loath to accept as genuine even video shot by a reporter can consult a truly objective source: images of the mall and the area around the Washington Monument recorded during Trump’s address by a webcam mounted on the Smithsonian Castle’s north flag tower.


A screenshot from a webcam showing the National Mall at 12:15 p.m. on Friday, as Donald Trump gave his inaugural address. Photo: Earthcam


A webcam view of the media tent in front of the Washington Monument during Donald Trump’s inaugural address on Friday. Photo: Earthcam

Earthcam, a site that makes those images available online in cooperation with the National Park Service, later posted archived video of the live stream from Friday on Facebook, which gives skeptics the opportunity to examine the evidence for themselves. That archived video, which is without sound, shows the mall during the entire event. Here is a portion of that video recorded during the last three minutes of Trump’s address, beginning at 12:15 p.m. on Friday.

As part of the effort to assuage his boss’s bruised ego, Spicer also falsely told reporters that it was harder for spectators to get through security and on to the mall than in previous years, a claim which was debunked by the Secret Service. He then said that that the white floor coverings, which made the absence of people more visible in photos, had never been used before. In fact, they had been used in 2013, at Obama’s better-attended inauguration. Finally, Spicer presented reporters with incorrect statistics about the volume of traffic on the DC subway system on Friday, saying that it was far higher than it had been on the day of Obama’s second inauguration, in 2013, when it was in fact far lower. While Spicer and Conway have taken much of the flak for these whoppers over the past 24 hours, it is important to keep in mind that they are simply covering for the primary fabulist in the White House: Donald Trump. What Pindosis, and the media, have yet to fully absorb is that the POTUS is now a man who managed to get 62 million votes despite making one demonstrably false claim after another. Having spent the five years before he ran for office peddling the conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was not born in Hawaii, Trump then went on the campaign trail and told voters that he had seen non-existent video of “thousands and thousands” of Arab Pindostanis cheering in New Jersey as the WTC collapsed on 9/11. When confronted with that false claim by George Stephanopoulos in late 2015, Trump simply doubled down.

Although that falsehood was briefly a central concern for the media, Trump just refused to admit that he was wrong, even after it became apparent that there was no such footage, for the good reason that mass celebrations had not taken place. In the end, Trump managed to wriggle off the hook for that lie, as he did for the lies about Obama’s birth certificate being fake, mainly because his opponents for the Republican nomination, many of whom are now in government alongside him, refused to challenge him on lies about Democrats or Muslims that were, and still are, popular with their voters. Trump, like much of the Republican base, relies on entirely skewed sources of information for his news, and has yet to pay any serious price for embracing conspiracy theories and treating internet rumors as facts. His reckoning with stubborn reality is long overdue, but it might not come until those around him stop flattering him and tell him the truth.

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