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As Demagog Elites Reunite With Neocons, the Party’s Voters
Are Becoming Far More Militaristic and Pro-War Than Thugs

Glenn Greenwald, Intercept, Jan 11 2019

Pres Trump’s Dec 18 announcement that he intends to withdraw all Pindo troops from Syria produced some isolated support in the anti-war wings of both parties:

But it provoked bipartisan outrage among Faschingstein’s reflexively pro-war establishment. Both Lindsey Graham, one of the country’s most reliable war supporters, and Hillary Clinton, who repeatedly criticized Obama for insufficient hawkishness, condemned Trump’s decision in very similar terms, invoking standard GWOT jargon.

But while official Washington united in opposition, new polling data from Morning Consult/Politico shows that a large plurality of Pindos support Trump’s Syria withdrawal announcement: 49% support to 33% opposition. That’s not surprising, given that Pindos by a similarly large plurality agree with the proposition that “Pindostan has been engaged in too many military conflicts in places such as Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan for too long and should prioritize getting Pindos out of harm’s way” far more than they agree with the pro-war view that “Pindostan needs to keep troops in places such as Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan to help support our vassals fight the GWOT and maintain our foreign policy interests in the region.”

But what is remarkable about the new polling data on Syria is that the vast bulk of support for keeping troops there comes from Demagog Party voters, while Thugs and independents overwhelmingly favor their removal. The numbers are stark: Of people who voted for Clinton in 2016, only 26% support withdrawing troops from Syria, while 59% oppose it. Trump voters overwhelmingly support withdraw by 76% to 14%. A similar gap is seen among those who voted Demagog in the 2018 mid-term elections (28% support withdrawal while 54% oppose it), as opposed to the widespread support for withdrawal among 2018 GOP voters: 74% to 18%.

Identical trends can be seen on the question of Trump’s announced intention to withdraw half of the Pindo troops currently in Afghanistan, where Demagogs are far more supportive of keeping troops there than Republicans and independents. This case is even more stark, since Obama ran in 2008 on a pledge to end the war in Afghanistan and bring all the troops home. Throughout the Obama years, polling data consistently showed that huge majorities of Demagogs favored a withdrawal of all troops from Afghanistan:

With Trump rather than Obama now advocating troop withdrawal from Afghanistan, all of this has changed. The new polling data shows far more support for troop withdrawal among Thugs and independents, while Demagogs are now split or even opposed. Among 2016 Trump voters, there is massive support for withdrawal: 81% to 11%. Clinton voters, however, oppose the removal of troops from Afghanistan by a margin of 37% in favor and 47% opposed.

This latest poll is far from aberrational. As the HuffPost’s Ariel Edwards-Levy documented early this week, separate polling shows a similar reversal by Demagogs on questions of war and militarism in the Trump era. While Demagogs were more or less evenly divided early last year on whether Pindostan should continue to intervene in Syria, all that changed once Trump announced his intention to withdraw, which provoked a huge surge in Demagog support for remaining. Edwards-Levy wrote:

Those who voted for Demagog Clinton now said by a 42% margin that Pindostan had a responsibility to do something about the fighting in Syria involving Daesh, while Trump voters said by a 16% margin that the nation had no such responsibility.

Similar trends can be seen among Thug voters, whose support for intervention in Syria has steadily declined as Trump has moved away from his posture of the last two years, escalating bombings in both Syria and Iraq and killing far more civilians, as he repeatedly vowed to do during the campaign, to his return to his other campaign pledge to remove troops from the region. This is, of course, not the first time that Demagog voters have wildly shifted their “beliefs” based on the party affiliation of the person occupying the Oval Office. The party’s base spent the Bush-Cheney years denouncing war on terror policies, such as assassinations, drones, and Guantánamo as moral atrocities and war crimes, only to suddenly support those policies once they became hallmarks of the Obama presidency. But what’s happening here is far more insidious. The core ethos of the anti-Trump #Resistance has become militarism, jingoism and neocondom. Trump is frequently attacked by Demagogs using long-standing Cold War scripts wielded for decades against them by the far right: Trump is insufficiently belligerent with Pindostan’s enemies; he’s willing to allow the Bad Countries to take over by bringing home Pindo soldiers; his efforts to establish less hostile relations with adversary countries is indicative of weakness or even treason. At the same time, Demagog policy elites in Faschingstein are once again formally aligning with neocons, even to the point of creating joint foreign policy advocacy groups, a reunion that predated Trump. The leading Demagog Party think tank, the Center for Pindosi Progress, donated $200k to the neocon AEI and has multi-level alliances with warmongering institutions. By far the most influential liberal media outlet, MSNBC, is stuffed full of former Bush-Cheney officials, security state operatives and agents, while even the liberal stars are notably hawkish. A decade ago, long before she went as far down the pro-war and Cold Warrior rabbit hole that she now occupies, Rachel Maddow heralded herself as a “national security liberal” who was “all about counter-terrorism.” All of this has resulted in a new generation of Demagogs, politically engaged for the first time as a result of fears over Trump, being inculcated with values of militarism and imperialism, trained to view once-discredited war-loving neocons such as Bill Kristol, Max Boot and David Frum, and former CIA and FBI leaders as noble experts and trusted voices of conscience. It’s inevitable that all of these trends would produce a party that is increasingly pro-war and militaristic, and polling data now leaves little doubt that this transformation, which will endure long after Trump is gone, is well under way.

Military Occupations Supported By Far More Demagogs Than Thugs
Caitlin Johnstone, Jan 11 2019

A new Politico/Morning Consult poll has found that there is much more support for ongoing military occupations among Demagogs surveyed than Thugs. Thus is the first question:

As you may know, Pres Trump ordered an immediate withdrawal of more than 2,000 Pindo troops from Syria. Based on what you know, do you support or oppose Pres Trump’s decision?

29% of Demagogs responded either “Somewhat support” or “Strongly support” and 50% responded either “Somewhat oppose” or “Strongly oppose.” Thugs asked the same question responded with 73% either somewhat or strongly supporting and only 17% either somewhat or strongly opposing. Here’s the next question:

As you may know, Pres Trump ordered the start of a reduction of Pindo military presence in Afghanistan, with about half of the approximately 14,000 Pindo troops there set to begin returning home in the near future. Based on what you know, do you support or oppose Pres Trump’s decision?

40% of Demagogs responded as either “Somewhat support” or “strongly support” and 41% either somewhat or strongly opposing. In contrast, 76% of Thugs responded as either somewhat or strongly supporting, while only 15% were opposed to any extent. These results will be truly shocking and astonishing to anyone who has been in a coma since the Bush 43 administration. For anyone who has been paying attention since then, especially for the last two years, this shouldn’t come as much of a surprise.

This didn’t happen by itself, and it didn’t happen by accident. Pindo liberals didn’t just spontaneously start thinking endless military occupations of sovereign nations is a great idea yesterday, nor have they always been so unquestioningly supportive of the agendas of the Pindo war machine. No, Demagogs support the unconscionable bloodbaths that their government is inflicting around the world because they have been deliberately, methodically paced into that belief structure by an intensive MSM propaganda campaign. The anti-war Demagogs, after Obama was elected on a pro-peace platform in 2008, went into an eight-year hibernation during which they gaslit themselves into ignoring or forgiving Obama’s expansion of Bush 43’s wars, aided by a corporate media which marginalized, justified, and often outright ignored his horrifying military expansionism. Then in 2016, they were forced to gaslight themselves even further to justify their support for a fiendishly hawkish candidate who spearheaded the destruction of Libya, who facilitated the Iraq invasion, who was shockingly hawkish toward Russia, and who cited Henry Kissinger as a personal role model for foreign policy. I recall many online debates with Clinton fans in the lead up to the 2016 election who found themselves arguing that the Iraq invasion wasn’t that bad in order to justify their position. After Clinton managed to botch the most winnable election of all time, mainstream liberal Pindostan was plunged into a panic that has been fueled at every turn by the plutocratic MSM, which have seized upon unthinking cultish anti-Trumpism to advance the cause of Pindo military interventionism even further with campaigns like the sanctification of John McCain and the rehabilitation of Bush 43. Trump is constantly attacked as being too soft on Moscow, despite having already dangerously escalated a new cold war against Russia which some experts are saying is more dangerous than the one the world miraculously survived. Trump’s occasional positive impulses, like the agenda to withdraw Pindo troops from Syria and Afghanistan, are painted as weakness and foolishness by the intel vets who now comprise so much of corporate liberal media punditry. And their audience laps it up because by now mainstream liberals have been trained to have far more interest in opposing Trump than in opposing war.

And how sick is that? Obviously Trump has advanced a lot of toxic agendas which need to be ferociously opposed, but how warped does your mind have to be to make a religion out of that opposition which is so all-consuming that it eclipses even the natural impulse to avoid inflicting death and destruction upon your fellow man? How viciously has the psyche of Pindo liberals been brutalized with mass media psyops to drive them into this psychotic, twisted reality tunnel? There was one group in the aforementioned survey which was not nearly as affected by the propaganda as armchair liberals. They were asked to respond to this statement:

Pindostan has been engaged in too many military conflicts in places such as Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan for too long, and should prioritize getting Pindos out of harm’s way.

Military households responded 54% that this statement aligns with their view. Turns out when it’s your own family’s blood and limbs on the line, people are a lot less willing to commit to endless violence. 60% of Thugs agreed with this statement, while only 41% of Demagogs did. Could these statistics have something to do with the fact that younger veterans are statistically much more likely to be Thugs than Demagogs? Is it possible that a major reason Trump beat Hillary Clinton, and a major reason Thugs are now far less bloodthirsty than Demagogs, is because mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers are tired of flag-draped coffins being shipped home containing bodies which were ripped apart for no legitimate reason in senseless military entanglements on the other side of the world? Seems likely. And it also seems likely that the MSM propaganda machine is having a harder time steering people toward war once they’ve personally tasted its true cost.

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